Ridiculous Grinds – PvP

With BfA having been out for roughly a year at this point, some pet collectors are talking about the grinds that they’ve had to endure to earn pets this expansion.  There have been a few, but none of the grinds compare to the ultimate (and in my mind ridiculous) grind than that of PvP Honor Rank 400.

I understand that there should be ways of earning pets within every activity in WoW.  I’m not going to dispute that in any way.  I do think that you should be able to get your pets via whatever way makes you happiest and most comfortable.  Where I disagree is just how much of an activity you have to do to get your pet(s).

Going through a raid (Raid Finder or otherwise) to get pets is fine.  Especially since most raids have at least 3 or 4 pets to collect in them (whether wild captures or boss drops) and the time to complete a raid is generally reasonable.  Pet Battling obviously has the most diverse way of obtaining pets (achievements/wild captures/currency purchases/etc.).  PvP has 3 pets.  3.  Throughout all 500 honor levels, there are 3 pets.  One of them just has to be locked behind honor level 400.  Yes, you read that correctly.  Level 400.  Why is this a bad thing?  Let’s take a look at the math behind the honor levels.

To earn an honor level in BfA, it requires 8,800 honor points.  If you started out at honor 0 this expansion, then you would need 3,520,000 honor points to get to rank 400.  If you started out BfA at max Prestige from Legion, then you would need 2,350,000 honor points to reach rank 400.  Sounds like a lot, doesn’t it?  Well, that’s because it IS a lot.  Especially considering how much honor you get from doing PvP.

If you participate in a winning battleground, you get 300 honor from that battleground.  Epic battlegrounds will give you slightly more at 450 honor.  Let’s see how many of these activities you would need to complete in order to reach rank 400 and get your pet, shall we?

Starting from Legion Prestige 25, the equation is simple.

2,350,000/300 for battlegrounds; 2,350,000/450 for epic battlegrounds.  Let’s work these out, yes?  Participating in nothing but regular battlegrounds, you will need to do at least 7,834 battlegrounds to get rank 400.  Epic battlegrounds will take you 5,223 battlegrounds to get rank 400.  That’s from Legion Prestige 25.  What about when you didn’t start from Prestige 25?

If you started with no honor at all in BfA, then you would need to do at least 11,734 battlegrounds to get rank 400.  Epic battlegrounds would take you 7,823 battlegrounds to get rank 400.

For a pet.  Let that sink in for a minute before continuing on with the rest of the post.

Now, some have been arguing that this is too much for a single pet.  I’m one of those people.  I believe that if you’re doing *that* much PvP, you’re no longer a pet collector.  You’re obviously a hardcore PvP-er at that point.  You would have to be in order to dedicate enough time to completing all of that.  I also think that by that point, you could care less about pet battles or pets because all you’re doing is PvP.

Someone on the old WoW forums explained in detail how long it would take to earn your pet.  Here is the link for those of you who would like to read it:  Honor Level Calculation.

Now that calculation takes you all the way to Honor Level 500, which is not what we need to do in order to earn our pets.  So the numbers aren’t going to be quite as bad as what they’ve posted, but the general idea is there.  Having to spend everyday in battlegrounds, doing nothing but battlegrounds, for well over a year is pretty ridiculous in my opinion and (in my mind) definitely qualifies you as a hardcore PvP-er.  Granted, you may participate in more battlegrounds than what they’ve posted, so your grind may not take that long.  The average person can’t (or won’t) do 20 battlegrounds per day.  If you figure 15 minutes per battleground (which most take at least that with epic battlegrounds taking even longer), at 20 battlegrounds a day, not including wait times, you’re looking at 5 hours a day in battlegrounds.  Again, I think you’re a hardcore PvP-er at that point.

Let’s work out how many days you would have to do 20 battlegrounds/day or 20 epic battlegrounds/day to get rank 400.

Starting with Legion Prestige 25:

Battlegrounds – 7,834/20 = 392 days

Epic Battlegrounds – 5,223/20 = 262 days

Starting with no Honor in BfA:

Battlegrounds – 11,734/20 = 587 days

Epic Battlegrounds – 7,823/20 = 392 days

Regardless of which route you take, it’s going to take you close to (or over) a year to get enough honor for rank 400.  That’s doing battlegrounds EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.  for hours on end.  Are you considered hardcore yet?

To be fair, I’m willing to bet that some of those who have reached/will reach that level care about pets and pet battles.  The majority of them, though?  It’s HIGHLY unlikely.  So why has Blizzard placed a pet (which most who can earn it won’t care about) behind such a time gate?  What’s the point of making a pet no one can get to?  Is there some ulterior motive at play?  Is it to encourage those collectors crazy enough to go for it to keep paying their subscriptions?  I doubt it.  I think it was just one of the many poor decisions made this expansion that just have to play themselves out for the next year or two.  Will we ever get to see our pets collected?  Probably.  Blizzard shook up what rewards you earn at what levels in BfA and I would be VERY surprised if they didn’t do it again for the next expansion.  But will there be another pet put in its place with the same restrictions?  Let’s hope not.  Let’s hope that they’ve learned their lesson with this expansion and improve upon their collection methods for the next one.

To close it out, thanks for reading all of that if you’ve made it this far.  As I said earlier, I definitely believe that you’re a hardcore PvP-er if you go for this pet (and also that most people who get it won’t give a damn about it), but to each their own.  I personally won’t be going for it because I don’t have the time to put into battlegrounds like that, but even if I did, I probably wouldn’t.  To those of you who are attempting it, though, I have just two words for you – good luck.

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Raiding With Leashes

I don’t know about all of you, but I thoroughly enjoy Raiding With Leashes.  I do a lot of transmog runs, so adding battle pets to it is just the icing on the cake.  However, it brings up some questions I have regarding the future of RWL.


All raids from Throne of Thunder forward have at least 1 battle pet attached to them already.  How will we get new pets if there are already pets in those raids?  Will new pets be added alongside the already existing pets?  Or will Raiding With Leashes be a thing of the past once Mogu’shan Vaults, Heart of Fear, and Terrace of Endless Spring get pets added to them?  It’s something that I’ve thought about for a while now and I hope an answer will be given at some point.


On a side note, I’ve come up with a few new pets that could be added to those 3 raids mentioned above.  Since we’re not getting a new RWL at BfA launch, maybe this can give the devs some ideas for pets/abilities so we can get that ball rolling.  🙂  If you’re interested in taking a look at these pets, you can find them here:  Raiding With Leashes pets


With BfA right around the corner, this probably isn’t on everyone’s mind right now, but it’s on mine.  In either case, I hope everyone has an enjoyable BfA launch and starts getting those pets ASAP.  See you in BfA!  🙂

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A few new pets

I’ve added a few new pets to my list of pets that I created:  Bumble-B and Sea Chicken.  I tried to find a couple that would fit BfA thematically and I think they’re not too bad.  Maybe one of them could even be the new pet reward for the BfA Safari achievement.  *wink wink*  What do you think?


Bumble-B and Sea Chicken

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Park your Pet

Who doesn’t like going to the dog park with their furry friends?  I know that I do and I suspect that I’m not the only one.  So why not have something like that in-game for pet battlers to congregate at?  If the idea of a Pet Park tickles your fancy, go read about this and see what you think.  🙂


WoW Pet Park

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Talent Tree!

How cool would it be if pet battles had a talent tree that you could earn rewards from?  I think it would be awesome!  If you think so too, go ahead and take a look at the following:


BfA Battle Pet Talent Tree


It’s just something that I came up with to give us pet battlers something to do in Battle for Azeroth.  (Note:  I do not work for Blizzard in any capacity and this is just something that I came up with that I would like to see in BfA.  It is NOT something that is going to be in-game unless the devs decide to do something like this.)

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